It was sad to watch them to fall like what they did. Tom got it right, they are not even in the same league. It took Korea a while to get where they are now. Give them some time. Who to blame: the system and the fans, too much money and too easy for them in current system. fans put them on top of the world just because they got in, no body want to be the one who tells them that they got in because they were lucky, not because they are any good. They have long way to go and they are the weakest team out there. Soccer is all about speed, skills and endurance. Which one is our specialty? None! So far. I hope next generation can do better than this one. I don't think we can take a joy ride on our national team any time soon. Sorry guys, that's the reality. There for, enjoy your own team here. By the way, there are no Asian team in top 4 divisions of North Texas league. I have no "cents", I have been mad and sad for 30 years. I guess that will not stop any time soon. You guys are true soccer fans. >From: "Han, Hong" <HHan@Santera.com> >To: "Tom Zheng" <tzheng@rsn.hp.com>, <dragon@ez.swmed.edu> >CC: <sports@hueco.rsn.hp.com> >Subject: RE: Short msg from Korea >Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:13:19 -0500 > >These guys just want to find some excuses for avoiding next game. They lost >from head to foot, from body to soul. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Zheng [mailto:tzheng@rsn.hp.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:53 PM >To: dragon@ez.swmed.edu >Cc: sports@hueco.rsn.hp.com >Subject: Re: Short msg from Korea > > > >And what this news tells us? > > http://dailynews.cnool.net/title-home.phtml?id=139717 > >There is no doubt about Sun,Jihai's injury. But Fan "Ye" >reveals that he played with injury after the game finished? >He clearly shows that he is one big time selfish SOB, injuried or >not. You're one last man on the defense line and you couldn't >move because of your ankles hurt? Take yourself out and let >someone else who could move to play. But this dumbs* stayed to >complete his standing show until the 74th minutes(I believe taken >out by Lao Mi but not by himself) and were trailing 2:0(both thanked >by his unfortunate hurt ankles). > >I'd seen people playing with injuries, but they played even harder than >when they're normal. But this guy, man! I have to turn to >NC-17 rated dictionary to find words to describe him. > >-- >|-Tom Zheng tzheng@rsn.hp.com Hewlett-Packard WORK : (972)497-4202| >|-Platform Software Architecture Laboratory TELNET: (+1)497-4202| >|-P.O. BOX 833851, Richardson, TX, 75083-3851 FAX : (972)497-4245| >|_______________________________________________________________________| > >On 0, Scott Bao <sbao@cisco.com> wrote: > > Tom, > > > > You are damn right that Fan,Zhiyi should be benched for life. When I >read the news earlier that > > he and his BMW slamed someone in Shanghai and beat the hell out of the >other driver, I know what this and most of > > the chinese players are made of. Not much better than street scums. To >have a big heart and some sportsmanship > > for them is beyond my imagination. They are simply weak! > > > > > > > > > > Tom Zheng wrote: > > > > > Not disappointed, but pissed off. I am not too upset about the loss > > > and our clearly inferior physical and soccer skills. They are > > > technicalities that can be improved and corrected overtime(even over > > > a long time). What was ticked me off the most was lack of showing of > > > the fire and the fighting spirit to compete, this should come with > > > the players themself, regardless how good or bad their soccer skills, > > > especially true for any professional who has the chance playing in >their > > > sports' top show ground. > > > > > > Simply look how Japan and Korea played their games that follow, these > > > chinese players ought to be ashamed of their showings in the previous >game. > > > Instead of only some runnings in the first 10-15 minutes, the players > > > seem to have finished all the tasks on showing up for the game, even >while > > > they were trailing behind. Fast forward one game ahead, Japan faught > > > even harder while behind one goal and eventually got back and led in > > > less than 20 minutes, and they kept the fighting till last minute. > > > Those Polish might not be a much stronger opponent for this cup but > > > Korea still had to fight to keep the lead. > > > > > > Not that Japan and Korea players have much better all around soccer > > > games than China, they had many bad passes and both of them may > > > be likely to miss the 2nd round at the end. Still, the reason the > > > people will feel that they played better than China are just because > > > their players played hard, period. > > > > > > I admit that I hadn't watched China playing for too many times during > > > last few years, but everything I read was that Chinese players had >been > > > much skillful and physically bigger lately. On paper it looks like > > > all is true. The roster has only three players at 178cm and the rest > > > are all 180cm+, and most of them are young players. You would image > > > they will at least play the game at the same competitive level as > > > Japan and Korea would play. But the pathetic showing last night > > > is telling a totally different story, and I am wondering how these > > > guys could get this far and just simply let themself get humiliated > > > infront of the whole world (I clearly felt the announcers at ESPN2 > > > were laughing hard on their backs. I wouldn't blame them, regardless > > > how bad results US team will get, at least everyone knows that they > > > will fight each game to death with their 120% effort). More >depressing > > > is that China will get two even tougher and mean opponents on Brazil >and > > > Turkey, I'd wish these Chinese players will put up at least one good > > > fight to keep them off from the most un-inspired team award >contention, > > > let those Saudis have it. > > > > > > On individual players, I don't know about "Hao" Dong and Yang Chen, > > > our forwards didn't show much, not sure if their physically are not > > > better than their defenders or our mid-fielders didn't get the balls > > > to them, may be both. And how these two could survive/serve at >European > > > professional leagues is still a mystery to me. > > > > > > My MVP of the game on China side is Li,WeiFeng, he may be the only > > > guy who ran his butts off over entire game. If you care to review > > > the tape, just counting how manys camos he got. He was everywhere, > > > on both offense and defense sides. That keeps you wondering where > > > everyone else was doing? > > > > > > My suckest player of the game vote is to Fan, ZhiYi, another center >defender > > > and is so called our top and most experienced player on the team, > > > and the entire nation with 1billion people? B***S***. I don't care > > > how he performed before, but I can prove to you(trust me, I studied >the tape > > > multiple times) that the two goals we got scored on were 90%, > > > if not 100%, dueto his sloppy plays as the last defender. In addition, > > > he did nothing during the game, most of time standing like a stick, > > > and as the team leader, I didn't him do anything to motivate the > > > teammates to fight harder. Oh well, he himself had not motivation >what > > > so ever. If w/o Li,WeiFeng's strong play, we might have lost even >more > > > goals. This POS should be benched for life. And how did he get to > > > play in English Premier League, another mystery to me. > > > > > > Sorry for the long post, had to get it out of my mind. I thought I >had > > > long removed any emotional attachment with the national team, but I > > > guessed I got sucked into the warmhole by the hype again this time, a > > > clever crafted scam at its best. > > > > > > Just sucks to be a chinese rightnow:-( > > > > > > -- > > > |-Tom Zheng tzheng@rsn.hp.com Hewlett-Packard WORK : >(972)497-4202| > > > |-Platform Software Architecture Laboratory TELNET: >(+1)497-4202| > > > |-P.O. BOX 833851, Richardson, TX, 75083-3851 FAX : >(972)497-4245| > > > >|_______________________________________________________________________| > > > > > > On 0, John Dong <johndong@microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > Agree! We are not mentally ready. And so slow. However I like Chen >Yang > > > > the best, he had a couple of very good pass, and unfortunately, we > > > > didn't have anyone come in the middle. Look at performance from >Japan > > > > and Korea, I am so disappointed... > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Qiang Bai [mailto:qbai@hotmail.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:26 AM > > > > To: fzwangbin@yahoo.com; tzheng@rsn.hp.com; dcai@citlink.net > > > > Cc: dragon@ez.swmed.edu > > > > Subject: Re: Short msg from Korea > > > > > > > > Steve was very upset about the performance of team China. Especially > > > > when all Korean people are celebrating right now. > > > > > > > > Simply, CHina is not at the same level at all. The fans were so >great. > > > > >From all of the world -- we had people from London, NYC, Guangdong, > > > > Sichuan, ..., sitting around. Among the 20K+ audience for today's >game, > > > > at least 80% were Chinese and 95% cherring for China. > > > > > > > > Our best player is probabaly still Hao Haidong. Well, look at Korea >and > > > > Japan's attackers. > > > > > > > > Hey, who knows? Maybe China will beat Brazil and Turkey? ;-) > > > > > > > > I am going to go to Bushan for the game of France on 06/06. Seems > > > > tickets > > > > availabel. > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: >http://messenger.msn.com > > > > - > > > > JD Wang 972-208-3616 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
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