J, Copycat should do better than the original one because it's rewrite. Also, find a person don't know vb, .net, and write the application with .net, then find out the result. Microsoft's product has some good reputation, such as easy to learn, easy to use, easy to install and easy to crash. Now, Microsoft tries to change its image to the customer but it didn't get the point at this time. I need to point out that the good thing about J2EE isn't about java or some product, it's about the standard. Think again, most of us knew TCP/IP, only few knew NetBEUI, why? Also, I don't worry about XP not supporting Java. Compatibility is the key for today's software.Without this, it won't success. Sooner or later, Microsoft will slam its face(does it have face?). Be proud of Microsoft, it is the only enterprise that got anthrax attack. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dong" <johndong@microsoft.com> To: "David Chen" <qiudichen@hotmail.com>; <dragon@ez.swmed.edu> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:58 PM Subject: RE: 10th League Sunday game: 12:30pm at Highpoint E, Plano I think the key here is that we have people with absolutely no J2EE experience or anyother Java expereince (like David said, people don't know performance tunning), just followed the spec Sun and Oracle published to build this Application. This is the result without any tunning. Imagine what the result will be after Microsoft learned how to do performance. Agree with BQ's point, I never felt proud of what I am doing either(Microsoft or Java, etc), these just all tools we use in our professional life, I just want to pass this information to all so everyone can have his/her owner judgement when you make decisions.... J -----Original Message----- From: David Chen [mailto:qiudichen@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:24 AM To: dragon@ez.swmed.edu Subject: Re: 10th League Sunday game: 12:30pm at Highpoint E, Plano Good point. I never think myself as J2EE fan. It's just a computer languange. Slow or fast, depend on the person who write the code, we all know this and some of us make $ by improving other's code. Every one know java slower, compare to C/C++. Every one know Window is slower compare to Unix. Does .Net have better performance than C? Or does .Net have some good feature besides the performance? Try compare MTS vs. Tuxedo or IDE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Qiang Bai" <qbai@hotmail.com> To: <qiudichen@hotmail.com>; <johndong@microsoft.com>; <dragon@ez.swmed.edu> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: Re: 10th League Sunday game: 12:30pm at Highpoint E, Plano > Definitely agree with Da Gang, being a J2EE guy myself. > > And, remember the story of Win 95 vs IBM OS2? > > But, one more thing is: > I never feel super proud of what I am doing, or which firm/client > I am with -- be it microsoft, bank of American or some anonymous > small firm, $ is $. > > To me, J2EE or .Net is just a way of technology to conduct business. > And to us, a way to make $. > > If people are so concerned with "performance", then, the best > is to go back to school and try to be a researcher -- but, even > in that case, I doubt it makes any sense. > > Don't forget: Sooner or later, J2EE and .Net will be gone, replaced, > ... > > > > > >From: David Chen <qiudichen@hotmail.com> > >Reply-To: David Chen <qiudichen@hotmail.com> > >To: John Dong <johndong@microsoft.com>, "Dragon (E-mail)" > ><dragon@ez.swmed.edu> > >Subject: Re: 10th League Sunday game: 12:30pm at Highpoint E, Plano > >Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:44:08 -0500 > > > >Excellent. Let's pray C# and .NET don't crash OS. > > > >For the person don't know J2EE: > >1. I read the artical carefully and didn't find out what JVM they used(I > >guess it's microsoft JVM). > >2. Some J2EE application servers, such as weblogic, webShpere, have some > >plateform patch, which can improve the preformance. Apperantly, Microsoft > >don't know how to run J2EE. > >3. Do benchmark by yourself or find result from some university. > >4. Random select any web site. If the web page's extend is asp, you will > >feel the pain. > >5. Microsfot has some good stuff but not preformance. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "John Dong" <johndong@microsoft.com> > >To: "Dragon (E-mail)" <dragon@ez.swmed.edu> > >Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 9:40 AM > >Subject: RE: 10th League Sunday game: 12:30pm at Highpoint E, Plano > > > > > > > For those J2EE fans.... > > > > > > http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/compare/petshop.aspx > > > > > > "We implemented Sun's own J2EE best practices blueprint application, the > > > Java Pet Store, using C# and Microsoft .NET. The result? The exact same > > > application functionality was implemented in just 1/3 the code using > > > C#/ASP.NET, and it performs up to 28 times faster than previously > > > published benchmarks of the J2EE application." > > > > > > Not only that but as they only had 2 months to build it, it hasn't been > > > performance tweaked either. > > > ____________________________________________ > > > John Dong , MCSD > > > Application Development Consultant > > > Microsoft Premier Support for Developers Central > > > Phone: 469-775-6742 > > > Mobile: 469-585-2627 > > > E-mail: johndong@Microsoft.com > > > If at any time you are less than VERY SATISFIED with your Premier > > > Support, Please call me immediately! > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >
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